Has anyone heard any news in regards to Ultrasound waves that destroy Lipomas. I know the FDA have been testing it out for years but has anyone had it done or heard any updates on this removal option.
Ultrasound for Lipoma Removal
It still seems to be very much in the testing stage.
I think your biggest issue would be finding doctor to perform the treatment.
Maybe you could try talking a dermotalogist, or any place that does ultrasound treatments on fat, to fire away at your lipomas. Many of the health spas offer ultrasound treatments.
Try a Google search for "dermatology ultrasound fat removal".
to remove lipoma and is pleased with the result? Or does it just grow back in place?
As long as the ultrasound waves are concern, those can be harmfull for Lipoma.
But no one have heard about the removal options for this. But Thanks for this post.
Regards,
Great post DanMan...thanks for the info and keep us updated with therapy the next few weeks.
I have tried the liver detox, castor oil packs, different indian herbs and not one has even shrunk down.
I have had 5 removed surgically and am not that happy with the scars. I have about 20-25 more that I really don't want cut out.
My diet is balanced, don't smoke, drink an average of 2-3 per week, I work out 3-4 times per week, I use the steam room 2x weekly and am in strong health. These guys just seem to pop up out of nowhere.
It runs in my family(genes) and unlike other members of my family I want and need to find a cure for these.
Yes, I agree with not liking the surgery. I have probably had 80 removed over the past 20 years.
Food for thought-There is a treatment out now for cancer called cryoablation. They freeze cancer cells in 30 seconds and it destroys them. I'm not sure what or how they freeze them.
Whey couldn't they freeze the lipomas from the inside? I thought about trying it with C02, but am not sure what that would do right in the blood stream.
On another note, I found ultrasound transducers on Ebay. The countour 1 takes the ultrasound and reflects it back to an intersect below the skin. I'm going to take the ultrasound and mount 3 of them so the intersect of the sound is just below the skin. This is one method they use to triangulate brain tumors without cutting into the brain. The countour 1 uses 25 khz frequency. One other thought would be to direct these in a needle tip directly into the lipoma.
It's not a lot of fun putting the needles in. I learned how to do it with almost no pain.
Just doesn't seem right. We were not born these things.. I'm thinking that toxins and / or candida overgrowth as the main contributor to the lipomas. One herbologist said the location where they will form is hereditary, not necesarily getting the lipoma.
Rob, product of interest: "Lipoma Sound Machine"
http://yinan982416.en.made-in-china.com/product/qbUmPEYyRrRT/China-Lipom...
I contacted the www.itairen.com company, $3,200 FOB
Not sure of the results, but point in case, someone went to great extents to get a product made and packaged in a usable product.
Yes, genuine China made. Probably works. Website has info about the frequencies involved for cavitation.
A simple unit could be produced for about $100 in electronic parts.
Hi Dan,
Thank you, great stuff man, I'm going to contact them tomorrow morning. Great find my friend, hopefully they have conducted some solid clinical studies. I'll let you know what I find out.
Rob
Hello Jeremmy, it is not posible to remove lipoma with Ultrasound. I know there is a italian Prof and he he is doing some tests, but further he could not go. Rubbish
Re. Klaus
Hi, from my knowledge and investigation, there is no place where you can get removal of lipoma by Ultrasound. That is rubbish
Re. Klaus
Klaus,
You need to investigate further.
Here is a video which explains and shows the ultrasound working in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJCX5CuhPMY
They call it laser liposuction, but it is actually the Contour1 which uses reflective ultrasound. The focussed sound comes back to a point and focuses the energy somewhat like a laser does with light energy. Do a google search or wikipedia for cavitation and it may help to understand how it works.
Here is an official website that makes it available for you to find someone who does this procedure.
You can also do a search through the dermanetwork.org
I contacted a Doctor and I believe he was in Colorado. He said he has used the Countour 1 to dissolve 1 inch lipomas and actually said it would be no problem. Only problem was good luck getting the insurance to pay for it.
Next question would be, if the insurance companies would pay a lot of money out of pocket for surgery, why wouldn't they pay for approved procedures like this? Seems like we should push the insurance companies to accept this treatment and pay for it. It would cost them less money and help us out in the end.
Hope this helps. Pleas share if you are ever able to get this procdure done with ultrasound.
Hi Rob,
thanks for this information. I know this. I like to make it very clear Lipoma-Tumor is a disease and not fat which you have got because you had drinking or eating the wrong stuff.(Cake, Pommys, hamburgers etc). I have create the word Lipoma-Tumor. I have studied not only the ultrasound but all others and I can tell you you must be very serious> We had just one person which died on the suction of fat from her body in Melbourne!!
Do not mix words which have nothing to do with each other?
Re
Klaus
I think that it is not that hard to find a good ultra sound doctor according to what I have experienced . What I feel is that for Axess Ultrasound it is hard to find a good repairing person . I own one and run a clinic with hired doctors . It has always been hard to find a good mechanic rather than finding a doctor . Since , the machine is really expensive it is hard as well to keep in shape and in good certified condition .
The use of ultrasound waves to destroy the lipoma can be compared to the removal of kidney stones where ultrasound is used to pulverize the stones.
They do not call lipomas "fatty tumors" for the fun of it. These guys are actually composed of fat that is stored within your body. One of the best ways to reduce their presence is to cut down on the fat intake. Eat leaner meats and avoid those delicious but high fat content dairy products like cheese and butter. You can also try several herbal remedies like meizitang that are meant to help boost your metabolism and burn off that fat before they add to your lipoma problem. Green tea is a great fat burner, just be sure to drink the real thing in lieu of supplements which do not work nearly as well. There is also an Indian herb called bedellium that can help you burn fat, just be sure that you do not have a thyroid condition before taking it.
Just an update to all.
Went to a local doctor today who has the Bellshape Contour 1 device. I am the first in their office to approach them with this condition for using the device to remove lipomas. Tomorrow followup will be options for getting the treatment. Since these are painful we may be able to get this convered under insurance.
Will post a followup to give some insight to others.
Hi Dan,
Are you speaking of the BellaContour or the Ultrashape, I was able to pull this info from the website and the differences between the two. I spoke with a doctor in Colorado a year ago that was waiting for FDA clearance, but had one in his office. Anyway, please let me know how it goes. Best of luck!
BellaContour is an external application of ultrasound that is applied to the skin. Their website claims that the BellaContour is FDA approved “for enhancing muscular blood flow and reducing joint pain and reducing cellulite”. The frequency range used by this device is what is typically used to treat sports injuries. It does not appear to be in the range for reducing fat content. Additionally, the ultrasonic energy is not “High intensity focused ultrasound (HIFU)”. Efficacy of their product was sketchy and the company did not report any clinical trials.
UltraShape® is a medical device which applies external ultrasound transmitted through the skin to break the fat cells apart, thereby improving one’s body contour. This is performed in the physician’s office. UltraShape® is not yet FDA approved in the USA. It is currently undergoing clinical trials held in the United States and abroad. It does employ HIFU technology which appears effective in breaking down the fat. HIFU applies high ultrasonic energy through the skin and focuses this energy onto the fat cell layer underneath. The cells are then “melted”. In fact, the FDA’s major concern is the breakdown products of fat into free fatty acids, triglycerides, and glycerol. These byproducts of fat are cleared by the liver. The FDA is concerned whether or not the liver can adequately and safely metabolize these by-products. Another unique aspect of UltraShape® is a tracking system which prevents areas from being over treated
Can you explain what would be the harmful effects of ultrasound if used to melt lipomas?
Thanks
As an alternative to surgery these machines were designed to lyse fat cells and have the material reabsorbed by the body. The biggest question is, once the fat is reabsorbed...where is it going? Like Rob said, the best guess right now is that it is being picked up into the circulatory system and then processed by the liver. The first concern is that this will affect other process that the liver handels such as glucose/glycogen uptake, storage and release, detox, protein/fat processing, and certian aspects of urine formation. If any of these process stopped occuring or slowed you might see a buildup of toxic material in the body. That might lead to, among other things, formation of new Lipomas.
I also have a concern that ultrasound does not address the issue of the lipomal sac that contains the fat tissue. There is very little out there that has been proven in medical literature, but it has been demonstrated that leaving remnants of the sac is the largest non-hereditary factor contributing to reoccurance of Lipomas. That is why even traditional liposuction is not as affective at treating lipomas as surgical excision...because it leaves behind a sac.
OK guys, there may be hope!
I've been tracking this company for a few years now and they're moving into phase 3 of testing. They use injections to dissolve lipomas and supposedly thus far have been highly successful. I spoke with a rep. a few years ago and she said if you have multiple lipomas to wait, I'm getting very excited about this...I'll be posting a separate posting dedicated to this agent.
ATX-101
KYTHERA’s lead program, ATX-101, is a first-in-class injectable adipolytic agent intended for the reduction of small volumes of localized fat. The active ingredient in ATX-101 is a well-studied endogenous molecule that preferentially lyses fat cells while leaving surrounding tissue largely unaffected. The result is a minimally-invasive procedure done with little or no anesthetic that yields consistent and meaningful clinical results.
http://www.kytherabiopharma.com/
Just bought a device on the internet that uses 40Khz ultrasound.
Should be delivered in about a week. Will keep everyone posted how well it works.
Hope to follow up with some videos or photos of the results.
Cost was less than $1,000. More details to come in the near future.
Thanks,
Dan
Dan,
Any updates on the ultrasound machine?
Thanks
Have used the ultrasound machine twice now-
Not sure of the results yet so I don't want to boast anything too soon.
It did heat the skin up to 105 degrees, (used a thermal infrared laser temp), also made a lot of noise. It's difficult to run much hotter.
Unit operates at 1.4 Mhz, which is 1 million 40 khz.
Do a search for 1 mhz or 1.4 mhz cavitation and you can find a lot of ultrasound units, some handheld, some cheap. (May have limited effects with limted power)
This is supposed to melt stomach fat and other areas, but that is not the problem obviously.
One noticable difference, most of the pain in the ultrasound treated lipomas was significantly reduced. At the end of the day while standing, the left leg hurt and barely any pain in the lipomas in the right leg that was treated.
I'm anticipating it may take a few weeks and I don't want to do too much too soon. The concern is the toxic breakdown of the fat. The liver detoxification can cause some brain fog or mood changes.
The key is focusing the ultrasound below the skin and concentrating on the lipoma. The ultrasound is actually a pressure wave from a vibration. The countour 1 is said to be able to melt the lipomas, but I don't think it is currently FDA approved in the U.S. I think there were a few doctors using it a couple years ago before FDA regulations.
Look up how the countour 1 works. Focusses reflected ultrasound below the skin.
May be a couple more weeks before next posting results.
Dan,
Any updates on the ultrasound machine?
Thanks.
Been working with a low power ultrasonic cavitation machine
Whole unit uses 27 watts total as displayed by the meter, was orignally advertised as 75, sticker says 50, actual was 27 by the Kilowatt meter. Voltage to the transuders is on around .57 volts.
The unit will heat the skin up to over 105 degrees F, so it gets hot. There is a focus probe that goes to about 1/4" at the tip, but all the vibrational energy has to pass through solid metal to the tip.
So far I would say there is little results that are notciable. I'm still working on the technique needed but have used the device on as one lipoma for as long as 30 minutes. I just don't think there is enough power to do the job.
Am planning on building a machine to do the job that will have plenty of power.
Have started working out again and this has taken most of the pain away, but the first 2 weeks actually makes the pain worse. Feels worse before it gets better.
Cavitation is a mechanical effect. At low powers, ultrasonic waves resonate with low weight structure to lose energy. That structure can be water, which would take ultrasonics, or rather what are called 'phonons' in the gigahertz region... very tiny waves! As the structure you wish to resonate gets larger than water molecules, the frequency to match it gets longer or rather, lower. The frequency ranger used for oscillating fat cells is between 27 kilohertz and 3 megahertz. The 27-40 kilohertz range mechanically oscillates the fat cells causing them to be damaged. If the power is too high (>100 watts), the cells might die quickly, which leaves a lot of mess for the body to try and absorb through its normal channels... this is not a good thing. You may as well be burning a chunk of flesh and asking the body to clean it up, it may turn out to be toxic. This is why the FDA does not approve devices with powers above this. A good safe exposure to ultrasonics at that frequency range is ~50 watts... but not for very long. That 'exposure' is per second... so if one is constructing their own device, one must move it around allot and not leave it stationary or two seconds later, it is now at over exposure. A 50 watt emitter sitting coupled with gel cream to the skin for say... 10 seconds, has now killed cells. THAT in itself is not horrible, it just matters how much death there is and what else, other that fat was cavitated. It is possible that even sweat glands, or interstitial connections, or other necessary sub cutaneous organs might become baked, so... move the emitter around! Now, a word of caution: between 1 megahertz and 3 megahertz, is the ACTUAL resonance of fat! 3 is RIGHT ON TARGET! So those devices on the market that advertise that they vibrate at 3 megahertz, are actually KILLING YOU! They are low power of course, about 12 watts, but being perfectly tuned, it takes less than 2 seconds to KILL! cells! The reason these are imported can only be guessed at. Apparently, the FDA works in a way which is counter intuitive for most of us. WE imagine that the FDA is interested FIRST in what kind of damage some device can cause, THEN they are interested next in how INEFFECTIVE devices are being sold as 'snake oil'. At least that's how I thought it worked when I was a child. But apparently, it's backwards... let me see if I can NOT give the wrong impression here. IF I place a device on the market, and it does things which cannot be known and I make no claims, then they don't care, unless someone complains. The first thing they will react to is 'claims'. If I say it will do something and they did not approve it to do that... then they will be angry. THAT is the major mechanism involved. So, when a Chinese company says, "It yokaly didilly doo doo not a bit a wick co" and sells it on Ebay, errr.... OK. And so years later, potentially dangerous devices such as ultrasonics sold on Ebay, are... still being sold. SO... if someone comes out with a tuned focused wave lipoma disintegrator... you cannot say a thing, advertise a thing, claim a thing, or in any way promote it. Then... chances are, you can continue doing whatever it is. But if you even tell someone whom you just saved the life of, and they tell someone else, and it gets back to the FDA... you'll be shut down and probably bankrupted. Now, to those who like to have big brother protecting them, even though it means they must die from some disease that can be worked on... well, you get your wish. To those who want alternative methods and minds working on saving their lives... good luck, its a very personally dangerous way to go and I DO NOT MEAN, the technology or therapies... if you get my meaning here. Now onto what is being done with a certain amount of FDA support, because money for clinicals are pouring in, slow for sure!, but its happening.... FOCUSED ULTRASONICS for the DISSOLVEMENT of LIPOMAS... Ok, we know from the above that ultrasonic frequencies can be tuned for any cell size, and we know that lipomas are made of cells... so, by using ultrasonics, one can kill lipomas. OK. But how does not get enough energy into an area of the body, not always on the surface, in order to do this? Answer: By launching the ultrasonics from a really large emitter and focusing it. This means, at the surface of the skin the intensity of the ultrasonic energy is low, but as it focuses, it gets stronger. So if one is guided by a medical scanner, NMR, CAT, etc... one knows WHERE the lipoma is, its volume, its density, etc... so a large emitter that is a focusing type, is pressed against the skin, OR held off the skin in a tank of fluid, and brought to focus on the lipoma. The energy at the focus can be as high as 300 watts now, as it was never above 100 watts above the focus to the skin and so does not exceed allowable energies as already accepted by the FDA. To picture this... imagine a parabolic reflector above the skin. An energy pulse is emitted and it hits the skin... it is a large! beam at this point and so enters the skin with a power density below 50 watts per square centimeter. But as it continues through the skin into the body, it is getting more and more focused. By the time it hits the lipoma, it is now 300 watts per square centimeter and zapping the heck out of it... like using a magnifying glass to burn ants on the sidewalk, where the focus is... burns, before that is just hot. That preliminary device specification for a focused ultrasonic lipoma blaster is guessed at winning approval either this year or next... but, even though the device can be built for less than $1000. and even though it easily integrates into any business, hospital, clinic, etc that has the installed medical scanner necessary to aim and adjust it... likely it will cost many!! thousands of dollars per zap! and insurance may not cover it... WHY?! because the people who will sell it, own it, and operate it, don't CARE! about suffering, they care about dollars, and those who care about suffering, will have to pay them. Anywise... hope this was simple enough to use as a mental picture, and now... go from there. Best wishes.
Great reply and words of advice to all. Make sure you are operating around the limits of the FDA so as to not make too many waves, ultrasonic or not that may cause undesired results.
thanks for the info Jeremy, there seems to be places in Europe that are doing it, but still nothing over here. Thanks again for the info!